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The controversial, late Rabbi Meir Kahane wrote in his book They Must Go an account of Israeli Arabs singing the PLO's anthem to a packed hall in the Hebrew University on January 28, 1980:
"In the name of freedom, we shall give our lives. Arab Palestine is the land of our struggle. We have seen the path from the Negev to the Galilee. Our Front will be triumphant."
Before his murder by an Arab in New York, Kahane was branded an extremist for telling such politically incorrect truths.
On March 18th of this year, Jerusalem Newswire reported that five Israeli Arabs were indicted on charges of planning a series of terrorist attacks against their Jewish countrymen. Others have been involved (and actually helped carry out) such murderous activity as well. More recently, it was reported in August 2005 that Israeli Arab religious leaders have called for a local intifada.
Keeping in mind Israel's just-completed, controversial ethnic cleansing of Jews from Gaza for the sake of peace -- Jews who were of no threat to their Arab neighbors -- Arabs should pay close attention to some of the lessons here.
Before we continue, let me state right from the start that politically correct Gentiles and suicidal Jews should not read any further. Hear that, Yossi Beilin? Shimon Peres?
Webster's Collegiate Dictionary defines treason as "the violation of the allegiance owed to one's sovereign or state; betrayal of one's country" and, specifically in the United States, "consisting only in levying war against the US or in giving aid and comfort to its enemies."
Once again, not very long ago, Arab students attending Hebrew University demonstrated against the visit of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, screaming, among other things, "We are all Ahmed Yassins!" Other Israeli Arabs appeared in newspapers all over the world holding up Yassin's picture in protest marches. Yassin was the dispatched leader of Hamas - an organization that openly calls for Israel's destruction.
As we have seen, in reality, this is nothing new. Rabbi Kahane warned of such things decades ago and was branded a racist, if truth be told, for coming to the subsequent logical conclusions.
But why worry? Let's pretend that over one-fifth of Israel's population -- with a higher birth rate than that of the Jews -- are all loyal citizens. Israeli Arab Knesset members openly side with those who disembowel Jews. And the Jews become ostriches with heads in the sand.
Look, Israelis must realize that most of the world will always have a double standard when it comes to Israel. Call it, "looking through Jew-colored lenses," or whatever.
So, Israel must do what needs to be done and not wait to act -- on matters of vital interest in particular -- until obtaining the world's approval. I will be named the next pope before that occurs.
Let's get something straight here. We're not talking about American students at Kent State University protesting American policies or the war in Vietnam. What we're talking about is the freest Arabs to be found anywhere in the Middle East -- those in Israel -- supporting murder and the destruction of the very state in which they live. Hamas' actions and positions are well known to all -- including those protesting and holding up Yassin's picture.
In any Arab country, anyone engaging in such activity against the state would not long be of this world. Indeed, in any other nation, including America, jail would likely be the minimum fate. It's time for Israel to act in its own crucial interests the way all other nations would act.
Those Arabs who display such treachery must be, preferably, expelled from the country. Jail time only costs Israeli taxpayers money, of which there's much less in Israel these days due to Arab rejectionist attitudes on both sides of the Green Line. Indeed, many Israeli Arabs have increasingly shown their true hands on these issues and have been actively involved in terrorism themselves.
Arabs could have had their 22nd state long ago if that's all that they wanted. Any fair assessment of the facts would show this. There's no need to rehash all the proposals yet again. The reality is that Arabs want their second state in mandatory "Palestine" (Jordan was created in 1922 on 80% of the original territory mandated to Britain on April 25, 1920) to exist in place of -- not alongside of -- Israel. A visit to the PA or Hamas web sites, textbooks, etc., quickly confirms this, as does a look at the polls, which show that even if Israel withdrew to its pre-1967, nine-mile-wide, UN-imposed armistice line existence, Arabs would still reject its right to exist.
At the very least, kick those who articulate and exhibit traitorous behaviors out of the country. And tell the protesting hypocrites that Israel, like all nations, must have its lines in the sand in terms of acceptable behavior by those wishing to live within its borders; lines that cannot be crossed.
The controversial, late Rabbi Meir Kahane wrote in his book They Must Go an account of Israeli Arabs singing the PLO's anthem to a packed hall in the Hebrew University on January 28, 1980:
"In the name of freedom, we shall give our lives. Arab Palestine is the land of our struggle. We have seen the path from the Negev to the Galilee. Our Front will be triumphant."
Before his murder by an Arab in New York, Kahane was branded an extremist for telling such politically incorrect truths.
On March 18th of this year, Jerusalem Newswire reported that five Israeli Arabs were indicted on charges of planning a series of terrorist attacks against their Jewish countrymen. Others have been involved (and actually helped carry out) such murderous activity as well. More recently, it was reported in August 2005 that Israeli Arab religious leaders have called for a local intifada.
Keeping in mind Israel's just-completed, controversial ethnic cleansing of Jews from Gaza for the sake of peace -- Jews who were of no threat to their Arab neighbors -- Arabs should pay close attention to some of the lessons here.
Before we continue, let me state right from the start that politically correct Gentiles and suicidal Jews should not read any further. Hear that, Yossi Beilin? Shimon Peres?
Webster's Collegiate Dictionary defines treason as "the violation of the allegiance owed to one's sovereign or state; betrayal of one's country" and, specifically in the United States, "consisting only in levying war against the US or in giving aid and comfort to its enemies."
Once again, not very long ago, Arab students attending Hebrew University demonstrated against the visit of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, screaming, among other things, "We are all Ahmed Yassins!" Other Israeli Arabs appeared in newspapers all over the world holding up Yassin's picture in protest marches. Yassin was the dispatched leader of Hamas - an organization that openly calls for Israel's destruction.
As we have seen, in reality, this is nothing new. Rabbi Kahane warned of such things decades ago and was branded a racist, if truth be told, for coming to the subsequent logical conclusions.
But why worry? Let's pretend that over one-fifth of Israel's population -- with a higher birth rate than that of the Jews -- are all loyal citizens. Israeli Arab Knesset members openly side with those who disembowel Jews. And the Jews become ostriches with heads in the sand.
Look, Israelis must realize that most of the world will always have a double standard when it comes to Israel. Call it, "looking through Jew-colored lenses," or whatever.
So, Israel must do what needs to be done and not wait to act -- on matters of vital interest in particular -- until obtaining the world's approval. I will be named the next pope before that occurs.
Let's get something straight here. We're not talking about American students at Kent State University protesting American policies or the war in Vietnam. What we're talking about is the freest Arabs to be found anywhere in the Middle East -- those in Israel -- supporting murder and the destruction of the very state in which they live. Hamas' actions and positions are well known to all -- including those protesting and holding up Yassin's picture.
In any Arab country, anyone engaging in such activity against the state would not long be of this world. Indeed, in any other nation, including America, jail would likely be the minimum fate. It's time for Israel to act in its own crucial interests the way all other nations would act.
Those Arabs who display such treachery must be, preferably, expelled from the country. Jail time only costs Israeli taxpayers money, of which there's much less in Israel these days due to Arab rejectionist attitudes on both sides of the Green Line. Indeed, many Israeli Arabs have increasingly shown their true hands on these issues and have been actively involved in terrorism themselves.
Arabs could have had their 22nd state long ago if that's all that they wanted. Any fair assessment of the facts would show this. There's no need to rehash all the proposals yet again. The reality is that Arabs want their second state in mandatory "Palestine" (Jordan was created in 1922 on 80% of the original territory mandated to Britain on April 25, 1920) to exist in place of -- not alongside of -- Israel. A visit to the PA or Hamas web sites, textbooks, etc., quickly confirms this, as does a look at the polls, which show that even if Israel withdrew to its pre-1967, nine-mile-wide, UN-imposed armistice line existence, Arabs would still reject its right to exist.
At the very least, kick those who articulate and exhibit traitorous behaviors out of the country. And tell the protesting hypocrites that Israel, like all nations, must have its lines in the sand in terms of acceptable behavior by those wishing to live within its borders; lines that cannot be crossed.
la traitrise est de toutes façons, une spécialité arabe :phpnuke_n
Well, the day has finally arrived. I now find myself in agreement with the secretary general of the Arab League.
Recently, at the end of the Arab League Summit, Amr Musa declared that peace could not arrive until there was withdrawal from occupied territories, the creation of another state and the return of refugees.
He's basically correct. So what if he got a few details mixed up?
Native Copts in Egypt -- millions of them -- had their country overrun by conquering, settling and subjugating Arabs. To this day, they never know when the next murder will occur, when the next church will be burned down, and they have learned that to survive they must consent to the forced Arabization process. Their leaders have even written that for Israel to "get along" it too must consent to a variation of this. Pretty pathetic. Uncle Boutros instead of Uncle Tom. But the same breed, if you know what I mean. Just imagine the world-wide outcry if Israel did this to Israeli Arabs.
The majority Berber population of North Africa saw its lands overrun as well over the past centuries by conquering, settling and subjugating Arab hordes, creating Arab empires. Berbers who dared to insist on keeping their own pre-Arab language and culture have been murdered for trying to do so. A look at any number of websites dealing with Berbers in this regard is revealing indeed.
In 1968, Ismet Cherif Vanly wrote The Syrian Mein Kampf Against the Kurds (Amsterdam). A Kurdish nationalist, he described the murderous and brutal Arabization policies that settling, conquering, and occupying Syrian Arabs employed against the Kurds, who predated them in the land by thousands of years. Settling, conquering, and occupying Iraqi Arabs did likewise to Mesopotamia's ancient native Kurds (the Hurrians, Guti, Kassites and Medes of old), Assyrians and other non-Arab peoples as well -- Jews included.
Literally millions of native African Blacks have been butchered, maimed, enslaved, turned into refugees (all of this still going on today), seen their lands forcibly Arabized, and such. And not just in the Sudan.
Imperialism is evidently only nasty when non-Arabs so indulge.
Half of Israel's almost six million Jews originated in the Arab/Muslim world. They too predated the Arabs in many of those lands that they were forced to flee as refugees, leaving far more property and valuables behind than Arabs who fled in the opposite direction after the latter's brethren invaded a reborn Israel in 1948.
Alexandria's famous Egyptian Jewish community was prominent centuries before Jesus. The Jews of Iraq had been there at least since the days of the Babylonian exile and captivity under Nebuchadnezzar. The Jews of Yemen were on the Arabian peninsula before Muhammad was born. In what is called the Hijra, the prophet of Islam fled Mecca to Medina, a date palm oasis on the peninsula where the Jews were still prominent. When they would not convert to his new faith (based largely on their own), nor accept his religio-political leadership, he butchered and enslaved them. Later, Jews also took part in the resistance against the Arab imperial invasions of North Africa in the 7th century CE.
Etc., etc. and so forth.
So, considering Amr Musa's above demands:
* It's time that the Africans of southern Sudan gain independence from the Arabs who have butchered, subjugated and enslaved them over the centuries -- long before the hypocrites in the United Nations recently first started to mutter anything at all about this.
* It's time for thirty million truly stateless people -- the Kurds -- to finally get their sole state. They were promised one after World War I, but saw it sacrificed on the altar of British petroleum politics and Arab nationalism. An Arab Iraq was pieced together in its stead.
Trusting Arab leaders, whether Shi'a or Sunni, is probably not a wise decision (regardless of what Foggy Bottom says) given the track records of Arabs of any stripe towards the non-Arab Kurdish people. Arabs, with almost two dozen states already -- including one carved out of almost 80% of the original 1920 borders of "Palestine", today called Jordan -- have an American-sponsored Road Map to help them create yet another; yet, somehow, the same folks demanding justice for Arabs seem deaf, dumb and blind regarding Kurds.
* And it's time for the subjugation of North Africa's huge Berber populations to come to an end, and for those folks to be able to decide if they want to remain forcibly tied to Arabs or not. If not, then why should they not get territory to create a Berber state, if Arabs can have yet a second Arab state carved out for themselves in "Palestine"?
You see, Mr. Musa, justice should not be exclusively for Arabs.
* Unfortunately for the Copts, there is not too much to offer. So, many more will yet become refugees.
The above list of victims of Arab imperialism is by no means complete. Just ask native Christian, Semitic, but pre-Arab Lebanese, for example.
The hypocrisy of the conquering, racist and subjugating Arab League is nauseating enough. That the latter, however, is widely supported in its demands on Israel by much of the rest of the world should be appalling to anyone with any semblance of fair play. I thought Dubya knew better. Unfortunately, despite his comments last April, it now looks like I was wrong. A cruel April Fool's joke, indeed; played on Mr. Ariel Sharon and on his tiny, vulnerable country.
Despite all of the international pressure on it to consent to becoming a reincarnated 1938 Czechoslovakia, ready to sacrifice itself for another "peace in our time", Israel must now muster the strength to do what it must. The only appropriate response to all of this should be to counteroffer the Arab League peace for peace, not consent to slowly being eroded via the Arabs' openly admitted "Trojan Horse" destruction-in-stages plan. And Israel must free itself from the belief that it has to allow Arabs to determine the rules of the road if widespread violence erupts again. Mahmoud Abbas' folks in the Palestinian Authority have said that they would support quiet only as long as Israel continues to cave in to all of their demands. And they're the "moderates".
Millions upon millions of non-Arabs became refugees because of the Arabs. Many of these people fled to America, Great Britain, Germany and elsewhere. They're not returning to those "Arab" lands. Likewise, Arabs will have to take care of their own, far fewer, refugees -- created in a war that they started.
The "occupied territories" Amr Musa speaks of are dis****d lands, not purely "Arab". Jews have as much of, or more of, a right to be on those lands as Arabs have. Much has been written about this, UN Resolution 242 indirectly addressed this, and leading experts such as Eugene Rostow, William O'Brien, Arthur Goldberg, Lord Caradon and others have been quite vocal on this matter, as well.
Jews have a word describing demands such as those made by Amr Musa. It's called chutzpah.
Israel must have leaders who will respond to such so-called Arab "prerequisites for peace" by telling them where to stuff them.
Well, the day has finally arrived. I now find myself in agreement with the secretary general of the Arab League.
Recently, at the end of the Arab League Summit, Amr Musa declared that peace could not arrive until there was withdrawal from occupied territories, the creation of another state and the return of refugees.
He's basically correct. So what if he got a few details mixed up?
Native Copts in Egypt -- millions of them -- had their country overrun by conquering, settling and subjugating Arabs. To this day, they never know when the next murder will occur, when the next church will be burned down, and they have learned that to survive they must consent to the forced Arabization process. Their leaders have even written that for Israel to "get along" it too must consent to a variation of this. Pretty pathetic. Uncle Boutros instead of Uncle Tom. But the same breed, if you know what I mean. Just imagine the world-wide outcry if Israel did this to Israeli Arabs.
The majority Berber population of North Africa saw its lands overrun as well over the past centuries by conquering, settling and subjugating Arab hordes, creating Arab empires. Berbers who dared to insist on keeping their own pre-Arab language and culture have been murdered for trying to do so. A look at any number of websites dealing with Berbers in this regard is revealing indeed.
In 1968, Ismet Cherif Vanly wrote The Syrian Mein Kampf Against the Kurds (Amsterdam). A Kurdish nationalist, he described the murderous and brutal Arabization policies that settling, conquering, and occupying Syrian Arabs employed against the Kurds, who predated them in the land by thousands of years. Settling, conquering, and occupying Iraqi Arabs did likewise to Mesopotamia's ancient native Kurds (the Hurrians, Guti, Kassites and Medes of old), Assyrians and other non-Arab peoples as well -- Jews included.
Literally millions of native African Blacks have been butchered, maimed, enslaved, turned into refugees (all of this still going on today), seen their lands forcibly Arabized, and such. And not just in the Sudan.
Imperialism is evidently only nasty when non-Arabs so indulge.
Half of Israel's almost six million Jews originated in the Arab/Muslim world. They too predated the Arabs in many of those lands that they were forced to flee as refugees, leaving far more property and valuables behind than Arabs who fled in the opposite direction after the latter's brethren invaded a reborn Israel in 1948.
Alexandria's famous Egyptian Jewish community was prominent centuries before Jesus. The Jews of Iraq had been there at least since the days of the Babylonian exile and captivity under Nebuchadnezzar. The Jews of Yemen were on the Arabian peninsula before Muhammad was born. In what is called the Hijra, the prophet of Islam fled Mecca to Medina, a date palm oasis on the peninsula where the Jews were still prominent. When they would not convert to his new faith (based largely on their own), nor accept his religio-political leadership, he butchered and enslaved them. Later, Jews also took part in the resistance against the Arab imperial invasions of North Africa in the 7th century CE.
Etc., etc. and so forth.
So, considering Amr Musa's above demands:
* It's time that the Africans of southern Sudan gain independence from the Arabs who have butchered, subjugated and enslaved them over the centuries -- long before the hypocrites in the United Nations recently first started to mutter anything at all about this.
* It's time for thirty million truly stateless people -- the Kurds -- to finally get their sole state. They were promised one after World War I, but saw it sacrificed on the altar of British petroleum politics and Arab nationalism. An Arab Iraq was pieced together in its stead.
Trusting Arab leaders, whether Shi'a or Sunni, is probably not a wise decision (regardless of what Foggy Bottom says) given the track records of Arabs of any stripe towards the non-Arab Kurdish people. Arabs, with almost two dozen states already -- including one carved out of almost 80% of the original 1920 borders of "Palestine", today called Jordan -- have an American-sponsored Road Map to help them create yet another; yet, somehow, the same folks demanding justice for Arabs seem deaf, dumb and blind regarding Kurds.
* And it's time for the subjugation of North Africa's huge Berber populations to come to an end, and for those folks to be able to decide if they want to remain forcibly tied to Arabs or not. If not, then why should they not get territory to create a Berber state, if Arabs can have yet a second Arab state carved out for themselves in "Palestine"?
You see, Mr. Musa, justice should not be exclusively for Arabs.
* Unfortunately for the Copts, there is not too much to offer. So, many more will yet become refugees.
The above list of victims of Arab imperialism is by no means complete. Just ask native Christian, Semitic, but pre-Arab Lebanese, for example.
The hypocrisy of the conquering, racist and subjugating Arab League is nauseating enough. That the latter, however, is widely supported in its demands on Israel by much of the rest of the world should be appalling to anyone with any semblance of fair play. I thought Dubya knew better. Unfortunately, despite his comments last April, it now looks like I was wrong. A cruel April Fool's joke, indeed; played on Mr. Ariel Sharon and on his tiny, vulnerable country.
Despite all of the international pressure on it to consent to becoming a reincarnated 1938 Czechoslovakia, ready to sacrifice itself for another "peace in our time", Israel must now muster the strength to do what it must. The only appropriate response to all of this should be to counteroffer the Arab League peace for peace, not consent to slowly being eroded via the Arabs' openly admitted "Trojan Horse" destruction-in-stages plan. And Israel must free itself from the belief that it has to allow Arabs to determine the rules of the road if widespread violence erupts again. Mahmoud Abbas' folks in the Palestinian Authority have said that they would support quiet only as long as Israel continues to cave in to all of their demands. And they're the "moderates".
Millions upon millions of non-Arabs became refugees because of the Arabs. Many of these people fled to America, Great Britain, Germany and elsewhere. They're not returning to those "Arab" lands. Likewise, Arabs will have to take care of their own, far fewer, refugees -- created in a war that they started.
The "occupied territories" Amr Musa speaks of are dis****d lands, not purely "Arab". Jews have as much of, or more of, a right to be on those lands as Arabs have. Much has been written about this, UN Resolution 242 indirectly addressed this, and leading experts such as Eugene Rostow, William O'Brien, Arthur Goldberg, Lord Caradon and others have been quite vocal on this matter, as well.
Jews have a word describing demands such as those made by Amr Musa. It's called chutzpah.
Israel must have leaders who will respond to such so-called Arab "prerequisites for peace" by telling them where to stuff them.
:thumb_viv
Israel , ferait un allié ideal pour la kabylie :phpnuke_n
Witnesses said that Israeli helicopters launched several attacks against sites in Gaza on Saturday at dawn, hours after the escalation of tension following the killing of 19 Palestinians in an explosion during a military parade for Hamas in Jalablia that Israel is accused of carrying out.
The Israeli side announced that the attack targeted smith workshops said they belong to Hamas movement in Gaza, but al-Jazeera satellite TV said the attack targeted houses for members in Hamas in Gaza. One woman was admitted to hospital after these raids for medical treatment but the number of casualties is not known yet.
The raids were preceded by an Israeli announcement that was not confirmed by any Israeli sides that five Israelis were injured by Palestinian launched missiles shelling fired from Gaza at Sdeirout during night time.
This came a short time after Hamas had accused Israel of launching an attack at a military parade in Jabalia camp, but Israel denied connections to the incident which Fatah movement said a result of an internal explosion.
The central committee for the Fatah movement held Hamas movement fully responsible for the killing of 19 persons including two children and wounding of other 120, some 20 of them were in critical conditions.
Fatah considered that the fall of victims came as a result of the military parade held by Hamas in Jabalia in north of Gaza, noting that those parades are a violation for the national consensus.
In a statement, the committee called following a meeting in Ramullah led by the Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, on forces and groups to stop such military parades and alienate all weapons and explosives from residential areas.
Witnesses said that Israeli helicopters launched several attacks against sites in Gaza on Saturday at dawn, hours after the escalation of tension following the killing of 19 Palestinians in an explosion during a military parade for Hamas in Jalablia that Israel is accused of carrying out.
The Israeli side announced that the attack targeted smith workshops said they belong to Hamas movement in Gaza, but al-Jazeera satellite TV said the attack targeted houses for members in Hamas in Gaza. One woman was admitted to hospital after these raids for medical treatment but the number of casualties is not known yet.
The raids were preceded by an Israeli announcement that was not confirmed by any Israeli sides that five Israelis were injured by Palestinian launched missiles shelling fired from Gaza at Sdeirout during night time.
This came a short time after Hamas had accused Israel of launching an attack at a military parade in Jabalia camp, but Israel denied connections to the incident which Fatah movement said a result of an internal explosion.
The central committee for the Fatah movement held Hamas movement fully responsible for the killing of 19 persons including two children and wounding of other 120, some 20 of them were in critical conditions.
Fatah considered that the fall of victims came as a result of the military parade held by Hamas in Jabalia in north of Gaza, noting that those parades are a violation for the national consensus.
In a statement, the committee called following a meeting in Ramullah led by the Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, on forces and groups to stop such military parades and alienate all weapons and explosives from residential areas.
Faut dire ce qu' il en est: les Israeliens savent comment y faire avec les khorotos. :brows:
Faut dire ce qu' il en est: les Israeliens savent comment y faire avec les khorotos. :brows:
un exemple pour les kabyles :tchin:
Ce sont des fakes les xorotes :rasta:
kabyloccidental
26/09/2005, 02h59
un exemple pour les kabyles :tchin:
Tu es l'exemple de la vermine qui a pour sbires sur ce forum des négationnistes tes maîtres pigalle ,organ and co qui nous rappellent certains colons, à l’image d’un Michel Morel, à l'encontre des «indigènes » traités de «huit millions de ratons sales et illettrés qui narguent la France »
Minable harki-négationniste
Tu es l'exemple de la vermine qui a pour sbires sur ce forum des négationnistes tes maîtres pigalle ,organ and co qui nous rappellent certains colons, à l’image d’un Michel Morel, à l'encontre des «indigènes » traités de «huit millions de ratons sales et illettrés qui narguent la France »
Minable harki-négationniste
Keske sek sa ?
Out of the blue ? Ça tombe des nues ... des injures ... mais ... même les prétendus "sauvages" de l'Amazone adresse le monde avec cordialité !
C'est vrai en fin de compte ... les illétrés, les "sauvages" peuvent nous apprendre bien des choses ...
Tu es l'exemple de la vermine qui a pour sbires sur ce forum des négationnistes tes maîtres pigalle ,organ and co qui nous rappellent certains colons, à l’image d’un Michel Morel, à l'encontre des «indigènes » traités de «huit millions de ratons sales et illettrés qui narguent la France »
Minable harki-négationniste
:Portable:
Kabyloriental,
tu fréquentes les forums uniquement parce que tu peux y derverser ton fiel
dans l'anonymat, tes interventions ne sont qu'injures et insultes.
Et encore ! même dans ce registre tu n'excelles pas, un raté...qui traîne ses guêtres dans les immondices. :(
ton vocabulaire n'est pas très riche 8 mots (les plus laids) à tout casser, avec lesquels t'essayes de composer qq phrases, ha ha .... oh pardon des grognements enragés :grrr: . la seule chose que tu saches faire , c'est d'aligner ces 8 mots dans un ordre different à chaque post. :Fear:
appelles en renfort amenay , tizuzgza , crouwle et compagnie :tchin:
kabyloccidental
26/09/2005, 15h12
Keske sek sa ?
Out of the blue ? Ça tombe des nues ... des injures ... mais ... même les prétendus "sauvages" de l'Amazone adresse le monde avec cordialité !
C'est vrai en fin de compte ... les illétrés, les "sauvages" peuvent nous apprendre bien des choses ...
Tiens,tiens ay H'miducc,tu te poses des questions maintenant sur LA TENUE DE CE forum!!!lorsque le rejeton au pseudo-de harki Franci-pro négationnistes insultait depuis qu'il squatte ce forum ,ayant changé de lâcheté ,au début comme le disait Amneywissin,en karki-proarabo-musulman,et maintenant en defenseur des CRIMES DE l'ALGERIE FRANçaise et de femme moins que rien la bouclée à l'etron qui avait porté la poisse au FORUM DU MAK en draguant et en insultant des kabyles,tu ne disais pas KESKE SEKSA?!!!!
tu ne dois pas être tout à fait lucide pour faire du deux poids deux mesures!!!!des KABYLES COMME AMNEY WISSIN, tu dois le savoir,ils sont rares ,trés rares..la mére du rejeton harki-franci peut encore mettre bas 6 milliards de fois,elle n'aura pas un MISS N'TAQVEYLIT de la trempe d'AMNEYwissin,!!!les insultes proliférées de la part de ce FAINEANT DE HARKI-franci-parasite du rmi français,et de boucle etronnée qui dévoila sa nature de péripathéticienne ,encore une fois sur un forum,ne t'ont pas fais bouger!!!
La KABYLIE a trop tendu la joue à ces harkis de franci proalgériefrançaise et aux harkis pro -imposture monde arabo-musulman,pour nous ils sont les deux faces ignobles,lâches,nauséabonds d'une même piéce du DENI IDENTITAIRE,ce sont deux anthropophages de NOTRE KABYLITE NI ARABE ni musulmane et surtout Ni NOSTALGICO-française..des harkis comme franci il faut les traquer sans cesse ,lorsque je suis de passAge en france ou chezmoi je les traque et les traquerais sans cesse tant qu'ils essaient de perpetuer LE sort MISERABLE fait à notre peuple kabyle aidés en celà par l'internationale araberie ou par les adeptes de negationnistes et de lepen....
Ma participation est occasionnelle car la vie active ne laisse pas trop de répi ,je te laisse avec ceharkis franci qui aidé de vieille ******** de puelagalle,orthan,la boucle etronnee vont certainement transformer ce forum en un dépotoir qui certains dont toi,ariless,Douchka,tafat,CAROLO .........et les autres ne méritent pas certainement de respirer
Tiens,tiens ay H'miducc,tu te poses des questions maintenant sur LA TENUE DE CE forum!!!lorsque le rejeton au pseudo-de harki Franci-pro négationnistes insultait depuis qu'il squatte ce forum ,ayant changé de lâcheté ,au début comme le disait Amneywissin,en karki-proarabo-musulman,et maintenant en defenseur des CRIMES DE l'ALGERIE FRANçaise et de femme moins que rien la bouclée à l'etron qui avait porté la poisse au FORUM DU MAK en draguant et en insultant des kabyles,tu ne disais pas KESKE SEKSA?!!!!
tu ne dois pas être tout à fait lucide pour faire du deux poids deux mesures!!!!des KABYLES COMME AMNEY WISSIN, tu dois le savoir,ils sont rares ,trés rares..la mére du rejeton harki-franci peut encore mettre bas 6 milliards de fois,elle n'aura pas un MISS N'TAQVEYLIT de la trempe d'AMNEYwissin,!!!les insultes proliférées de la part de ce FAINEANT DE HARKI-franci-parasite du rmi français,et de boucle etronnée qui dévoila sa nature de péripathéticienne ,encore une fois sur un forum,ne t'ont pas fais bouger!!!
La KABYLIE a trop tendu la joue à ces harkis de franci proalgériefrançaise et aux harkis pro -imposture monde arabo-musulman,pour nous ils sont les deux faces ignobles,lâches,nauséabonds d'une même piéce du DENI IDENTITAIRE,ce sont deux anthropophages de NOTRE KABYLITE NI ARABE ni musulmane et surtout Ni NOSTALGICO-française..des harkis comme franci il faut les traquer sans cesse ,lorsque je suis de passAge en france ou chezmoi je les traque et les traquerais sans cesse tant qu'ils essaient de perpetuer LE sort MISERABLE fait à notre peuple kabyle aidés en celà par l'internationale araberie ou par les adeptes de negationnistes et de lepen....
Ma participation est occasionnelle car la vie active ne laisse pas trop de répi ,je te laisse avec ceharkis franci qui aidé de vieille ******** de puelagalle,orthan,la boucle etronnee vont certainement transformer ce forum en un dépotoir qui certains dont toi,ariless,Douchka,tafat,CAROLO .........et les autres ne méritent pas certainement de respirer
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heureusement que la kabylie n'a pas engendré les amenay et autres kabyloriental. Avec moins de 10 mots (que des vilains) de vocabulaire à leur actif, l'écurie serait pour eux , un établissement encore! trop luxueux
Tiens, AïchaKahina. je vais t'en raconter une autre.
Véridique celle-là.
C'était au printemps 80. Nous, les très jeunes à jeunes, exaltés par la revendication identitaire criions dans les rues "Artaghd tamazight" (rendez-nous Thamazight).
Nous manifestiions en longs cortèges dans les rues, collégiens et lycéens.
Mon grand-père, très curieux, est venu nous voir en nous demandant :
"Itura, dacutt tmazirt aki. Pulantt, anwi ttyepin ?"
"A qui est cette tamazirt (lopin de terre) ? Elle est à qui et qui l'a volée ?"
Nous ne parlions pas tout à fait le même langage...
Daya
aichakahina
26/09/2005, 15h53
Tiens, AïchaKahina. je vais t'en raconter une autre.
Véridique celle-là.
C'était au printemps 80. Nous, les très jeunes à jeunes, exaltés par la revendication identitaire criions dans les rues "Artaghd tamazight" (rendez-nous Thamazight).
Nous manifestiions en longs cortèges dans les rues, collégiens et lycéens.
Mon grand-père, très curieux, est venu nous voir en nous demandant :
"Itura, dacutt tmazirt aki. Pulantt, anwi ttyepin ?"
"A qui est cette tamazirt (lopin de terre) ? Elle est à qui et qui l'a volée ?"
Nous ne parlions pas tout à fait le même langage...
Daya
Il était bien sage ton grand-pére, moi je me souviens d'un autre qui pendant les emeutes du printemps noir, c'est fait un petit plaisir et a récuperer un gros fauteil de PDG (qui j'imagine ne passait même pas la porte de chez lui) du centre des impôts (en feu) et l'a chargé sur son dos et porté chez lui en criant oulach smah oulach :Waw:
............l'a chargé sur son dos et porté chez lui en criant oulach smah oulach :Waw:
Ah! ces faux kabyles , on ne peut pas leur faire confiance :alucard:
Ulac, Smah , Ulac
aichakahina
26/09/2005, 16h12
Ah! ces faux kabyles , on ne peut pas leur faire confiance :alucard:
Ulac, Smah , Ulac
faux kabyle non, juste un vieux kabyle avec de vieux rêves de grandeur, il parrait même qu'à la même époque une parfumerie avait été saccagée à Bejaia et que les manifestants auraient aspergé toute une place (Guidon parrait-il) avec du Fa et autres déodorants :yoman:
Je ne suis pas pour le pillage des commerces mais j'ai trouvé le geste trés symbolique
faux kabyle non, juste un vieux kabyle ..........
t'emballes pas c'est juste : c'est un jeu d'esprit
:Prêtre:
ps: relis stp! pour comprendre :Bouffon:
aichakahina
26/09/2005, 16h24
t'emballes pas c'est juste : c'est un jeu d'esprit
:Prêtre:
Pas de soucis
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Des Algériens arrêtés ce matin en France et en Italie
Ils préparaient des attentats
Presque simultanément, les polices française et italienne ont procédé, ce matin, à l’arrestation d’islamistes algériens. Des indices font valoir que ces éléments préparaient des actions terroristes.
Sept personnes soupçonnées d'appartenir à la mouvance du Groupe salafiste pour la prédication et le combat (Gspc) et de préparer des attentats en France ont été interpellées ce lundi matin dans la région parisienne et en Normandie dans le cadre d'une opération antiterroriste, selon les services de sécurité français chargés de mener cette enquête.
«Ils sont soupçonnés d'avoir eu la volonté de commettre des attentats en France. Il y avait un mouvement de conspiration, une activité logistique, mais pas de projet identifié d'attentat», a précisé la même source. Les interpellés appartiennent à la mouvance du Gspc qui figure parmi les principaux mouvements islamistes armés algériens activant en France et qui a fait allégeance à Al-Qaîda et à celle du Djihadisme international. L'enquête judiciaire menée par le juge antiterroriste Jean-Louis Bruguière, a débuté en février 2003, avec la surveillance d'un homme qui venait de sortir de prison après y avoir purgé une peine dans une affaire de terrorisme, dont la teneur n'a pas été précisée.
Les suspects ont été arrêtés dans les Yvelines, au sud-ouest de Paris, et dans l'Eure, un département normand. Ils ont été conduits dans les locaux des services de contre-espionnage (DST) à Paris.
Une autre opération antiterroriste a eu lieu, cette fois, dans la ville de Milan en Italie.En effet, dans une opération qui semble avoir un lien avec celle se déroulant en France ne serait-ce que par le timing choisi, le groupe d'intervention des douanes italiennes a lancé ce matin une vingtaine de perquisitions dans des appartements ou des entreprises appartenant à un groupe d'Algériens soupçonné, lui aussi, d'appartenir au mouvement du Gspc, selon la police milanaise.
Les enquêteurs sont à la recherche de preuves de financement d'activités terroristes de la part d'un groupe de 11 personnes dont certaines sont déjà derrière les barreaux. Les perquisitions visent notamment des entreprises en informatique et en import-export dans le secteur du textile.
Les policiers milanais seraient en contact avec leurs homologues algériens pour plus d’information sur le Groupe islamiste armé algérien (Gspc).
A. B. / Agences
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Both President Bush and Secretary of State Powell made the point very clearly at earlier "Roadmap" summits that the emerging 23rd Arab state - and second Arab one to be created within the borders of mandatory Palestine as Britain received it on April 25, 1920 - was to be no "Bantustan." They and others have repeated this many times in voicing concerns that Israel's security fence (being built to keep Arabs from deliberately blowing up Jewish innocents) does not follow the "Green Line", which demarcated Israel's pre-'67, 9-mile wide, Auschwitz – I mean armistice – line existence. The original "Bantustan" was a disconnected entity created for Blacks under the apartheid regime in South Africa and no substitute for a real state.
(Before we proceed, first find a regional map of the Middle East and North Africa. Try to find Israel without the aid of a magnifying glass. If you have a map of the world, better use a microscope.)
While all people should be able to live in dignity, this applies to Jews also. This, unfortunately, proved often to be impossible both in the Christian West, where Jews were considered to be the Deicide people (and treated accordingly), as well as in the Muslim East, where they were considered to be persecutors of prophets and kelbi yahudi – "Jew dogs." Hence, the necessity for the rebirth of Israel on less than one-half-of-one-percent of the territory of the Middle East and North Africa.
In creating those "Arab" states on over six million square miles of territory, millions of non-Arabs – Berbers, Copts, Kurds, Black Africans, Jews, etc. – were conquered and forcibly Arabized, often having their own native cultures and languages outlawed, suppressed, etc.
While Arabs and their supporters use 1947 as the starting point for discussion about the partition of "Palestine," this is dishonest, for reasons already cited. The land called "Palestine" by then represented only about 20% of the original land as it existed before the separation of Transjordan, all the land east of the Jordan River, as a reward to Britain's Hashemite Arab allies in 1922. An Arab state has thus existed on some 80% of Palestine since 1922 - today's Jordan - regardless of the distastefulness of this fact to the Israel-bashers. Transjordan's ruler, Emir Abdullah, attributed this to an act of Allah in his memoirs.
Are their local differences between Arabs? Sure, like there are differences between North Carolinians and New Yorkers. But just as Jews didn't ask for dozens of different states because their people came from dozens of different countries (including Jews whose families never left the land of Israel since the Roman wars), Arabs are not entitled to dozens of states at the expense of one for Jews, Kurds, etc. Yet that is what Arabs expect.
Despite all of this, Arabs rejected the 1947 partition as well, even though the Jews would have wound up with about 10% of the original area. Then, as now, for far too many Arabs, it is not how big Israel is that is the crux of the issue, it is that Israel is that poses the problem.
So Mr. Bush and Mr. Powell's statements have been largely misdirected. It's not Jews who rejected fair and honorable solutions over the decades. And similar compromise partitions between competing national movements elsewhere have not been uncommon, involving population exchanges, etc. The one which created Hindu India and Muslim Pakistan at the same time Arabs rejected the 1947 partition plan for Palestine especially comes to mind.
At the close of hostilities after the invasion by Arab states of a nascent Israel in 1948, the U.N.-imposed armistice lines made Israel a mere nine miles wide at its waist, a constant temptation to its enemies. Most of Israel's population and industry lies in that narrow waistband. In the aftermath of the 1967 Six Day War - Israel was forced to fight after it was blockaded at the Straits of Tiran and other hostile acts - U.N. Resolution #242 did not demand that Israel return to the status quo ante. It called, instead, for the creation of "secure and recognized borders" to replace those fragile post-'48 armistice lines. Any such settlement regarding current "Roadmap" discussions must continue to take this into account. Keep this in mind regarding the path of the security fence.
Israelis have no desire to rule over several million Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza. But they also don't want a good cop/bad cop, Abbas, Querei, or whoever-disguised Arafatian/Hamas state set up in their backyards, which only temporarily allows quiet to further its still retained "destruction in stages" goals.
More than lip service is required to grant an extremely vulnerable Israel the security any other nation would demand. So this means that Arabs are not going to be able to get all that they want on the West Bank and Gaza. That's what is meant by "compromise." And this also means that the 23rd Arab state will not be very large and will have some restrictions placed upon it.
The contiguity and such of that 23rd Arab state must not come at the expense of the security of the sole, minuscule state of the Jews - one half of whom, in Israel, were refugees themselves from so-called "Arab" lands. And that's the missing half of Mr. Bush and Mr. Powell's statements about "Bantustan" about which those of us who care about the long-term health of Israel worry.
While a reasonable compromise a la UN Resolution 242 is in order, a unilateral retreat forced upon Israel by its "friends" a la Munich 1938 is not.
Freedom squelches terrorist violence
KSG associate professor researches freedom-terrorism link
By Alvin Powell
Harvard News Office
A John F. Kennedy School of Government researcher has cast doubt on the widely held belief that terrorism stems from poverty, finding instead that terrorist violence is related to a nation's level of political freedom.
Associate Professor of Public Policy Alberto Abadie examined data on terrorism and variables such as wealth, political freedom, geography, and ethnic fractionalization for nations that have been targets of terrorist attacks.
Abadie, whose work was published in the Kennedy School's Faculty Research Working Paper Series, included both acts of international and domestic terrorism in his analysis.
Though after the 9/11 attacks most of the work in this area has focused on international terrorism, Abadie said terrorism originating within the country where the attacks occur actually makes up the bulk of terrorist acts each year. According to statistics from the MIPT Terrorism Knowledge Base for 2003, which Abadie cites in his analysis, there were 1,536 reports of domestic terrorism worldwide, compared with just 240 incidents of international terrorism.
Before analyzing the data, Abadie believed it was a reasonable assumption that terrorism has its roots in poverty, especially since studies have linked civil war to economic factors. However, once the data was corrected for the influence of other factors studied, Abadie said he found no significant relationship between a nation's wealth and the level of terrorism it experiences.
"In the past, we heard people refer to the strong link between terrorism and poverty, but in fact when you look at the data, it's not there. This is true not only for events of international terrorism, as previous studies have shown, but perhaps more surprisingly also for the overall level of terrorism, both of domestic and of foreign origin," Abadie said.
Instead, Abadie detected a peculiar relationship between the levels of political freedom a nation affords and the severity of terrorism. Though terrorism declined among nations with high levels of political freedom, it was the intermediate nations that seemed most vulnerable.
Like those with much political freedom, nations at the other extreme - with tightly controlled autocratic governments - also experienced low levels of terrorism.
Though his study didn't explore the reasons behind the trends he researched, Abadie said it could be that autocratic nations' tight control and repressive practices keep terrorist activities in check, while nations making the transition to more open, democratic governments - such as currently taking place in Iraq and Russia - may be politically unstable, which makes them more vulnerable.
"When you go from an autocratic regime and make the transition to democracy, you may expect a temporary increase in terrorism," Abadie said.
Abadie's study also found a strong connection in the data between terrorism and geographic factors, such as elevation or tropical weather.
"Failure to eradicate terrorism in some areas of the world has often been attributed to geographic barriers, like mountainous terrain in Afghanistan or tropical jungle in Colombia. This study provides empirical evidence of the link between terrorism and geography," Abadie said.
In Abadie's opinion, the connection between geography and terrorism is hardly surprising.
"Areas of difficult access offer safe haven to terrorist groups, facilitate training, and provide funding through other illegal activities like the production and trafficking of cocaine and opiates," Abadie wrote in the paper.
A native of Spain's Basque region, Abadie said he has long been interested in terrorism and related issues. His past research has explored the effect of terrorism on economic activity, using the Basque country as a case study.
Abadie is turning his attention to the effect of terrorism on international capital flows. Some analysts have argued that terrorist attacks wouldn't have much of an impact on the economy, since unlike a war's widespread damage, the damage from terrorist attacks tends to be relatively small or confined to a small area.
In an era of open international capital markets, however, Abadie said terrorism may have a greater chilling effect than previously thought, since even a low risk of damage from a terrorist attack may be enough to send investors looking elsewhere.
alvin_powell@harvard.edu
Azul Daya,
Pourtant "a-kkerr a mmis Umazigh" date bien des annees 40? Ce vieux n a peut etre jamais entendu l hymne nationale kabyle (je dis bien nationale). Sans doute etait il a l ecoute d un autre son de cloche.
tamazight, ce beau mot. tamazight.
la libre kabylie s est de nouveau demarque'e du vil systeme d alger. Mes freres et soeurs kabyles qui ont boycotte -comme moi- ce vote de chimere, je vous aime.
tamazight.
Tiens, AïchaKahina. je vais t'en raconter une autre.
Véridique celle-là.
C'était au printemps 80. Nous, les très jeunes à jeunes, exaltés par la revendication identitaire criions dans les rues "Artaghd tamazight" (rendez-nous Thamazight).
Nous manifestiions en longs cortèges dans les rues, collégiens et lycéens.
Mon grand-père, très curieux, est venu nous voir en nous demandant :
"Itura, dacutt tmazirt aki. Pulantt, anwi ttyepin ?"
"A qui est cette tamazirt (lopin de terre) ? Elle est à qui et qui l'a volée ?"
Nous ne parlions pas tout à fait le même langage...
Daya
Azul Daya,
Pourtant "a-kkerr a mmis Umazigh" date bien des annees 40? Ce vieux n a peut etre jamais entendu l hymne nationale kabyle (je dis bien nationale). Sans doute etait il a l ecoute d un autre son de cloche.
Si mon grand-père était encore en vie, il te dirait que les cloches c'est lui qui te les sonnerait...
Ce n'est pas lui qui a mis en musique mmis Umazigh mais il aurait pu. Il avait surtout beaucoup d'humour.
A la même période, en rendant visite à des cousins étudiants dont les membres avaient été fracassés à Oued-Aïssi, il est parti d'un : "Dlafut nwen. Tenamasen anarez wala neknu, arzankkun".
Daya
Azul DAya,
je les entends deja sonner mes cloches.. Grand'PA, qu il repose en paix, n a pas ete clement, je dois dire... a yernu.. su-3ekkazz! yerzayi a3-ruriw.
hier, il faut admettre que ur nek-ni, ur na-rriz... pour le moment.. a yernu ur nett-ruz ma teqimagh-d k-ra t-rugza.
di telephone, qqaragh i yemma "azul a tin aazizen", teqqariyid:" azul a mmi aazizen!". A ssinigh:" tamazight a tte-nnerni".. a-dder " a-ttenner-ni ih a mmi!" ... c est vrai, c est 25 ans apres 1980. Beaucoup d eau amazigh a coule depuis.
que grandPA repose en paix.
Si mon grand-père était encore en vie, il te dirait que les cloches c'est lui qui te les sonnerait...
Ce n'est pas lui qui a mis en musique mmis Umazigh mais il aurait pu. Il avait surtout beaucoup d'humour.
A la même période, en rendant visite à des cousins étudiants dont les membres avaient été fracassés à Oued-Aïssi, il est parti d'un : "Dlafut nwen. Tenamasen anarez wala neknu, arzankkun".
Daya
Azul DAya,
je les entends deja sonner mes cloches.. Grand'PA, qu il repose en paix, n a pas ete clement, je dois dire... a yernu.. su-3ekkazz! yerzayi a3-ruriw.
hier, il faut admettre que ur nek-ni, ur na-rriz... pour le moment.. a yernu ur nett-ruz ma teqimagh-d k-ra t-rugza.
di telephone, qqaragh i yemma "azul a tin aazizen", teqqariyid:" azul a mmi aazizen!". A ssinigh:" tamazight a tte-nnerni".. a-dder " a-ttenner-ni ih a mmi!" ... c est vrai, c est 25 ans apres 1980. Beaucoup d eau amazigh a coule depuis.
que grandPA repose en paix.
tsefqad iyidd maka iyedd'smektadh xamsa wacrin isegasen aya...
Je réalise d'un coup pourquoi li rumatiz...
Welah ar fkkan axesar degnagh. Lumana atas di mectah aggi ddernan defirnagh.
Daya
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